Importance or Lack Thereof a Healthy Diet

[JayMarrs]

I am curious as to others' feelings about Dr. Hawkins statements regarding food and its stated insignificance "karmically."

In "In The World, But Not Of It," he speaks of having "a six pack of soda and a piece of cheese" as his substrates. It comes up in other areas sporadically throughout his lectures. He speaks of the "health terrorists" in "The Highest Level of Enlightenment" as being fallacious. His apparent stance is that the "when" of one's moment of death is pre-determined, so one's food intake is irrelevant to living well.

As our actions are resultants of our karmic disposition, does it not seem of lower consciousness to pollute "the temple" with toxins? Does this not put more payload on the body/mind and use energy that could be transmuted into one's spiritual path?


Can someone shed some light on this?

Jay

[dublay3]

Hi, I tend to view health from a Chinese medicine oriented viewpoint, as I have studied it for some years. My opinion is that diet directly affects the physical component of Dr. Hawkins' suggestion that all things are physical, mental, and spiritual. Food material affects body, which affects the mind. If the mind cannot stabilize, the spiritual condition will not be in harmony.

However, I feel it is important to mention that the ancient Chinese thought-system of health and wellness does not emphasize detoxification nearly to the degree that the modern popularized and marketing-happy fads do. "Toxins are everywhere" is a meme. The body cleans itself; sometimes it may need extra assistance from "cleansing" foods, but it is more important to find proper methods to support the natural functions of the inner-dependent organ systems that God gave us.

[Seth]

Hi everybody,

Notable is the doctor's finding that advanced spiritual seekers, when muscle tested, do not go weak with things like pesticides or fluorescent lights. This is mentioned in "Power vs Force" and "Eye of the I."

In "Eye of the I," DRH specifically mentions a group of people he found this to be true of, and upon questioning and further research, he found that people who proceed through "A Course In Miracles," the workbook, stop testing weak to these things around lesson 75.

Love,

Seth

[OceanWinds]

Hey dude... I actually have had an illness for a few years and in my experience, what the Doc has to say is very accurate.

I used to question the whole diet thing because of what I saw in the china study and other books. But then I realized that life is far different out in the country than in the city... and a whole myriad of factors were not accounted for in the book.

One thing I have being considering is that diet probably affects people more often than not because of their belief systems. So a lot of stuff probably isn't good for people because they believe it. I would be curious to see how strong the average Hawkins student is compared to the average citizen.

One thing I have noticed in my own healing is that when I really get past something... like something that used to make me angry, depressed, or the likes, I heal more. The symptoms will be less than they used to be, and the attachment to the illness is not as strong.

Another thing to consider is that sometimes drugs are in our food. I know red food dye and sugar can seriously alter some kids behavior, important to k-test IMO. But with time... a person can get over stuff like this that gives them reactions. I also remember the video with the doc and the little girl holding an apple. He tested fine in eating the pesticide sprayed apple, but the girl did not.

[gsteacher]

I think that lately there are a whole lot of newly-created food neurotics out there, people telling me how this or that is killing me. I end up so often having to say, "I am an infinite being, I do not believe or accept that, it may be true for them but not for me....all that is true is what I hold in my mind."

If someone really believes that eating that cheeseburger is going to kill them, it probably will. If someone believes that my eating that cheeseburger is going to kill me, and I don't believe it; it probably won't, I don't think. I think Dr. Hawkins may be trying to draw attention to the fear-based mentality that many of the "brown baggers" have bought into.

If the day and time of my death is already predetermined, I'd rather enjoy what I eat rather than spending my days always worrying about it. Fear of pesticides, fear of meat, fear of elmf's, fear of mercury in tuna, fear of sugar, fear of all things red, fear of anything we put in our mouth unless it is purified and tested, and then fearing that maybe the test wasn't correct. Sounds like a lot of fear to me. I'd rather simply love and appreciate eating that cheeseburger than fearing it. However there is a whole fear-based industry out there that probably disagrees with me because the truth would cost them to lose a lot of money.

I think we are going to see a lot more new fear-based food illnesses popping up that were never heard of before. This will be great for the lawyers. Lots of money to be made in class action litigation. I'd say be reasonably responsible, but lets not feed into this new fear-based food neurosis.

Time to go. My microwave macaroni and cheese awaits!!! God bless gluton!!

[brusha540]

Originally Posted by JayMarrs

I am curious as to others' feelings about Dr. Hawkins statements regarding food and its stated insignificance "karmically."

In "In The World, But Not Of It," he speaks of having "a six pack of soda and a piece of cheese" as his substrates. It comes up in other areas sporadically throughout his lectures. He speaks of the "health terrorists" in "The Highest Level of Enlightenment" as being fallacious. His apparent stance is that the "when" of one's moment of death is pre-determined, so one's food intake is irrelevant to living well.

As our actions are resultants of our karmic disposition, does it not seem of lower consciousness to pollute "the temple" with toxins? Does this not put more payload on the body/mind and use energy that could be transmuted into one's spiritual path?


Can someone shed some light on this?


Jay

What I've learned about diet and health comes from his CD series "Giving Up Illness" using principles from A Course in Miracles. He demonstrates with kinesiology that Sweet'N'Low caused an audience member to go weak, not because Sweet'N'Low makes everybody go weak by itself but because the person believed that Sweet'N'Low would make her weak. As the Doc said, "These things are inert; they're nothing... It's what we believe about these things. . ."


So it depends on what energy field we happen to be "in"--our current LOC.

If I am in the mid-400s, I am going to be carrying medical belief systems about food, talking about kilocalories, anti-oxidants, preventing oxidative stress on DNA, and the like.

If I am in the high 300s, which is the researched level of Chinese medicine, I might refer to imbalances in liver and spleen, wood-metal-fire imbalances, and possibly acupuncture meridian imbalances (level 405).

At the level of Unconditional Love 540+, no food or beverage ever received into a body could be anything but an expression of love from a Deity of Infinite Caring, Love and Mercy.

(I am making an educated guess here --->)At the level of Bliss or 600, all food is an illusion and has nothing to do with Me. I can leave the physical world at anytime and never would require food or beverage because I am not a body. At the higher levels, apparently people and other energies from the physical plane prompt the body to eat as a part of a karmic program that takes care of the body of the Sage, while the Sage has dedicated his/her consciousness to the enlightenment and blessing of all sentient beings.

So the Doc has "a six-pack of soda and a piece of cheese" because that is the karma of the body. He has absolutely nothing to do with it; karma brings the food to the body and the body eats it. However, if I eat the soda and cheese, I would have an episode of hypoglycemia 2 hrs. later. I haven't transcended all those medical belief systems in the 400s. When I have transcended the level of the 400s, my experience of the Self and all the Love that radiates within will remind me that "not one thought that you think is true," as the Doc says.

As we surrender medical and health belief systems, we transcend them. I am subject only to what is held in Mind. I can cancel any belief system. As A Course in Miracles states, "I am not a victim of the world I see." Food has no power over the body; thoughts/beliefs about food do have incredible power and manifest constantly. Hope this helps!

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by brusha540

What I've learned about diet and health comes from his CD series "Giving Up Illness" using principles from A Course in Miracles. He demonstrates with kinesiology that Sweet'N'Low caused an audience member to go weak, not because Sweet'N'Low makes everybody go weak by itself but because the person believed that Sweet'N'Low would make her weak. As the Doc said, "These things are inert; they're nothing... It's what we believe about these things. . ."

I'm wanting to understand what the Doc meant when he said "It's what we believe about these things." I thought that one's personal beliefs would not affect the outcome of the test---making it an objective tool. From the above statement, it sounds like one's personal beliefs do affect the outcome of the test. Please clarify?

[nearlyawake]

I did have my doubts about this. While I strongly agree food beliefs are strong determinant of one's health, aren't there also processes that simply do not depend on our belief? For example, if we eat sugary and fatty foods, does our belief in whether or not they have power over us have no effect at some level? I.e. Fat deposits, blocked arteries and things.

Perhaps I'm just arguing from an intellectual viewpoint because I'd think that some of this seems to be bound by physical laws regardless of our belief in 'whether I am subject to it' or not. I'm sure Doc says the same thing of allergies, too, and to be honest, when he says, "but remember you also have Karma" (paraphrased), it does make it seem a little vague.

I'd really appreciate if anyone could elaborate further on my point.

[darciefrench]

Hi folks,

For most of the year 2007, I "actively" surrendered the world, including food, by retreating to my bedroom with a copy of I. At the time, I was plagued by celiac disease, crohn's disease, fibromyalgia and a host of other fallacious programming.

A state of illumination at the end of 2007 showed experientially that I am subject only to what is held in mind. With surrender, the programs disappear. Sometimes, it's like Doc says: the engines are cut but the ship still drifts to shore. Two years later, I eat whatever, smoke cigarettes whenever. I play the "and then what game" with the health terrorism: So I die from "xyz"- oh well. We all gotta go somehow- like the Doc has joked, we're running out of ways to leave this place.

If one believes something is "bad for them," it will be. With surrender to God, we see that there is a multitude of factors (karma, conditions, loc) contributing to form the context of our health, that there is no "space" in which ego intervention will change outcomes in a linear or cause-and-effect way. Real change occurs in the nonlinear, when all that is not Joy/Love/Peace is surrendered.

Only the Holy Spirit has the "remote" to press "stop" on the ego programs. Setting a place at the table for Jesus or one's favorite avatar helps, too- in the Presence, one is divinely shielded and "externally-based harm" is not a thought that can stand in that light.

[Donna]

In reviewing this discussion, I recalled an interview with Dr. Hawkins that he had a whole string of doctors that were attending to him regarding his health. I was (and still am) confused about why one would necessarily need all these health practitioners if one can simply say, "I am an infinite being and am not subject to a belief in (ie cancer, high blood pressure, etc.)."

Does one have to be at a certain loc to be able to sustain this affirmation effectively in this world? And if we haven't been able to sustain the loc, maybe that's why we would need "the doctors?"