entrainment effect?

[pawbard]

I don't particularly want to discuss Mr Nager's work, except insofar as it
relates to my
process over the past few days.

Having checked out Mr Nager's website I decided to take the 5 day course to see
what he
was like further. But a few things make me uneasy - not about him, but about
myself.

Firstly was Hawkins teaching that the problem with false gurus is that the error
in context
is outside the context of the devotee and therefore impossible or at least very
difficult to
detect. This bugged me a fair bit because even if Brian Nager and his work was
integrous -
and please understand I'm not having a go at Mr Nager or his work - it was still
possible
that an error lay outside the perceptual range of him and his students.

Secondly there's the damned k-testing thing. I notice that when something tests
weak it is
never good for me, basically. Someone else might test it strong and that's fine
by them,
but I have learnt from experience to trust my own k-testing when something tests
weak by
me. I've learnt that k-testing is a reliable guide when I do it for my stuff,
with an intention
to know the truth only as Dr Hawkins teaches.

So when I muscle tested Mr Nager's work immediately on visiting his site and got
a weak
response and ignored it, I was basically asking to go into a difficult
situation.

My difficulty is in representing this. It may be that Mr Nager is enlightened or
is a sham -
I'm not concerned with either. But in there were some areas of teaching which
just niggled
me about Nager's work. I can't put my finger on it. I can't define it at all.
Just stuff that
bugs me that is formless and intuitive.

I don't want to be like the hens in George Orwell's book '1984' who suddenly
find sins
where there were none before. But I do want to share my subjective experience
with these
spiritual teachings:

I have felt drained the past few days physically and down emotionally, and still
do. My
sense is that I have been entrained to a weak attractor.

By contrast in studying Dr Hawkins' work I have sought to regularly read and
absorb his
work, and found it consistently leaves me clear-headed, inspired, and feeling
willing to
show caring. I find a similar field effect with Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana
Maharishi,
Huang Po, and aspects of the great religion's texts.

With Nager's work I felt a strong sense of bliss and immediate silence, then
from
emmersing myself in that field for several days the result seems to be negative
overall,
and thus a kind of a glamor.

It would be a pity if my negative experiences are shared by any others. I hope I
am wrong
because I would very much prefer the world held many enlightened people, and I
would
prefer it if Nager's work were just another wonderful flavor of enlightenment.

Have others experienced the uplifting effect of Hawkins work? Do the books and
radio
have a sort of an uplifting effect for others?

Regards,

Paul Bard.

[cwillcwill]

--- In drhawkinsgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Bard" <pawbard@y...>
wrote:

Have others experienced the uplifting effect of Hawkins work? Do the
books and radio have a sort of an uplifting effect for others?


--Most definitely. I was in a pretty negative space before finding
Dr. Hawkins work recently-- books, tapes and videos from Veritas,
beyond the ordinary and this group. I read someone's account online
of how they felt they were addicted to AA and would feel down if they
missed meetings for a short period of time. Well, I have a similar
dependency on Dr. Hawkins and the music of Robert Gass(DH calibrated
at 700). I need a dose of these every day. Yet, I still have to
consciously avoid lower calibrating media which still seem
interesting. Thanks for all the discussions of Dr. Hawkins' work.
Will

[bkabboy]

>From: "Paul Bard" <pawbard@...>
>Reply-To: drhawkinsgroup@yahoogroups.com
>To: drhawkinsgroup@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [drhawkinsgroup] entrainment effect?
>Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:52:39 -0000
>
I have experienced the power of the teachings of Dr. Hawkins and other
theachings that he has said are integrous. I personally try to stick to 2-3
different teachings. I don't feel there is anything wrong with chhecking out
other paths. It seems that sooner or later you have to stick to just one and
take it the whole way. I feel I am getting close to that point and the
teachings of Dr. Hawkins to work for me the best. Also I think it might be
some kind of resistance to put into practice what you learn by constantly
finding new teachers. I would not practice Nagers teachings because Dr.
Hawkins has'nt calibrated him. The only reason I say this is because I don't
have faith in my calibrations and I do have faith in Dr. H. Based off the
information that Dr. Hawkins has been showing at recent seminars about the
qualities of a true teacher it seems to me that Nager is nonitegrous. We
have so many teachings to choose from that we know for certain work. AA,
ACIM, Ramana Maharshi, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Dr. Hawkins. I would just
pick one or two and be persistant with it. All of these teachings give you
precise instructions. I think the reason why some don''t experience benefits
from them is because they go into something else before they have fully
follwed the directions of the path they are on. With so many to choose from
you might ask yourself. Why do I need another teachhing?